Posted in Dumbarton FC, Events dear boy. Events at 20:30 on 8 October 2021
I see from the club website that former manager Billy Lamont has died.
He joined us as manager in 1981 after achieving the feat of getting East Stirlingshire promoted from the bottom flight in 1980 (something they’d only achieved four times before then and never since.) He left us in 1984 to join Falkirk but the team he had put together for us went into the top division at the end of that season, the last time we graced the highest echelon of Scottish football.
He left to go to manage Falkirk and gained promotion with them too.
In 1990 he came back and took us to promotion from the Second Division as champions in 1992. That team was good to watch.
His is a record that makes him one of the most successful managers we have ever had and a fondly remembered club legend.
Billy Lamont: 12/5/1936 – 8/10/2021. So it goes.
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Posted in Scottish Football Grounds at 12:00 on 12 July 2018
This is sad viewing. The former home of East Stirlingshire FC now gone to rack and ruin.
I used to like going to Firs Park to see the Sons play there. It might have been utterly basic but it was a proper old style football ground.
It was certainly diminished by having that concrete wall built at one end of the ground behind the goal to stop the ball going on to the Retail Park’s access road but it’s really sad to see the state it’s in now.
I see the club has ended its rental agreement with Stenhousemuir at Ochilview to become tenants of Falkirk FC at the Falkirk Stadium. Imposing surroundings for the Lowland League even if Stirling University have been playing there too recently.
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Posted in Events dear boy. Events, Football at 12:00 on 16 May 2016
As I’ve been away I only caught up with the news of the demotion of East Stirlingshire from the SPFL late yesterday.
61 years in the SFL/SPFL gone in a flash. It’s sad for them but they’ve been living on fumes for seasons on end now. It was always most likely that it would be the Shire that would be the first to fall victim to the play-off system.
Congratulations, though, to Edinburgh City. The role of third (or fourth) largest football side in Edinburgh has been taken in the past by St Bernard’s (defunct since World War 2) and Leith Athletic (demised 1955, reconstituted 1996 and as a senior team in 2008.) As those statistics suggest, surviving in the shadow of Hearts and Hibs is not easy.
Then there is the case of Meadowbank Thistle (Ferranti Thistle as was) admitted to the Scottish Football League in 1974 but weren’t satisfied with the sizes of crowds they were attracting in the capital and decamped to Livingston in 1995.
Speaking of Hibs, I see they managed to muck things up again. Hibsing it indeed. Then again they’ll probably win the Cup Final now and so put to an end the longest running “will this be the year” saga in Scottish football.
Leicester City’s fairy tale first top level title made the news in The Netherlands – as elsewhere I suspect. There was a newspaper article there about the length of time previous winners of their country’s football championship had been waiting to win it again. Schalke 04 topped the list at well over 20,000 days with Tottenham Hotspur second (also over 20,000 days.) Liverpool were about eighth on the list. I can just about make out some Dutch but a list is no problem.
I also divined from a radio report on the way back up that Roberto Martinez had lost the Everton job, paying the price for not getting enough out of a talented group of players. (An alternative possibility is that those players aren’t quite as good as their reputations would have them.)
And then there was the Scottish Parliament election, where the SNP paid the price of winning too many constituency seats and Labour actually did come second in the percentage vote in that element but not in the regional lists. We had voted by post before we left.
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Posted in Dumbarton FC at 17:08 on 4 November 2012
Scottish Cup, 3rd Round, The Rock, 3/11/12.
Well. A win’s a win – even if it is in the Cup. Our record in cups (the Stirlingshire version apart) hasn’t been too good for an awfully long time.
The comments on the Pie Shop say it wasn’t convincing. Given our persistent failure to win in Div 1 that’s not altogether surprising but at least this has shown that we can beat a team.
I don’t know whether to hope for a big team at their place in the next round to get in some money or for someone else we might be able to beat.
Onwards (and upwards?) to Cowdenbeath on Saturday first, though.
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Posted in Dumbarton FC at 20:37 on 27 October 2012
SFL Div 1, The Rock, 27/10/12.
That’s it.
There has been no “new” manager bounce. We’re doomed.
It was excruciating watching this on the videoprinter on Sportscene which I came in on just as we went ahead 3-2.
This was the game we really had to win if we were to have any hope of avoiding relegation. Failure to do so means we have in the last two minutes of both of the relevant games lost five points to the two teams directly above us – after being two goals up in both. Those two teams being the ones we ought to have had most hope of plundering points from ourselves.
I suppose it’s only natural that players will tend to try to protect what they have in situations like that, especially in our precarious position, but it so often backfires.
In retrospect, we have been relegated early before. In August the last time we were in Div 1 in fact. I remember an article in “The Absolute Game” saying a funny thing happened at half time in our first match (at Greenock, against Morton.) “We got relegated.”
This season it came in August again – at the very scene of our play-off final triumph a mere few months earlier – when we collapsed to a 4-1 defeat against today’s opponents in the opening league game.
The main reason for our plight is that we cannot defend. This was always likely to be a problem given that we finished last season on a goal difference of precisely zero. The players brought in over the close season haven’t improved that any. The midfield can’t seem to protect them either. And the attackers don’t get enough of the ball.
At this rate we may be in danger of not beating East Stirlingshire, a team two Divisions below us, in the Cup next week.
History may be about to repeat itself. Confidence will surely take too many knocks between now and May and carry over into Div 2 next season with the prospect of relegation twice in a row looming again. (With the season after that finishing complete bottom of the pile?)
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Posted in Dumbarton FC at 20:37 on 29 July 2012
SFL Challenge Cup, The Rock, Round 1, 29/7/12.
Why do we bother entering this competition? We’ve only ever won about two games in it in its entire existence. Even newish boys Annan Athletic have a better record in it than us. East Stirlingshire and Elgin City too.
The first half was dominated by QoS. Stephen Grindlay made three good saves in the first fifteen minutes and QoS had another good chance which the boy volleyed wide. Their keeper didn’t have a save to make until just about the last kick of the half when an Agnew special made him work.
The second half was more even but our two best openings fell to James Creaney and the keeper was up to both of them. Otherwise there was a slow motion scramble on their goal line after a corner and that was about it for us. Midway through the half the game lost all cohesion with both sides resorting to balls over the top and it was from one of these that QoS scored, their tricky no 11 cutting out Grindlay with a ball back for an unopposed header. A similar incident earlier had seen their player miss what amounted to an open goal.
We lacked penetration and punch though Jim Lister can hold the ball up and win headers. I liked the look of Phil Johnston when he came on for Mark Gilhaney, willing to take on the defender and run.
The new strip is cracking though.

QoS have just been relegated from the Division we’re now in and we looked way off them.
It says it all that Stephen Grindlay won man of the match. I wouldn’t disagree.
I can console myself with the thought that we usually start slowly. We night need our usual post-Christmas good run desperately.
Edited to add:- I meant to put in that the new centre back pairing (Alan Lithgow with Andy Graham) was a bomb scare throughout. In particular Andy Graham looked very uncertain and it seemed to infect Lithgow.
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Posted in Curiosities, Dumbarton FC, Football, History at 13:00 on 7 February 2012
Take a look at these historical league tables (top four only) which show when Cowdenbeath FC has won the Scottish Second Division.
Scottish League Division Two 1913-14
1 Cowdenbeath P 22 pts 31
2 Albion Rovers P 22 pts 27
3 Dundee Hibernian P 22 pts 26
4 Dunfermline Ath P 22 pts 26
In those days promotion wasn’t automatic so Cowdenbeath were in Division Two the next year. Cowdenbeath were one of three teams on equal points at the top.
Scottish League Division Two 1914-15
1 Leith Athletic P 26 pts 37
2 St Bernards P 26 pts 37
3 Cowdenbeath P 26 pts 37
4 East Stirlingshire P 26 pts 31
A three-way play-off decided the league winners. Cowdenbeath defeated Leith Athletic at East End Park and St. Bernards at Easter Road to take the title.
Scottish League Division Two 1938-39
1 Cowdenbeath P 34 pts 60
2 Alloa Athletic P 34 pts 48
3 East Fife P 34 pts 48
4 Airdrieonians P 34 pts 47
Cowdenbeath’s only other Championship was in Div 3 in 2006. Their other promotions came as runners-up, through play-offs or as a result of another club’s financial problems leading to a readjustment in the leagues.
So does anyone spot something here?
Well, I notice that every time Cowdenbeath have been Champions of a Division 2 in Scotland the UK has been involved in a major (world) war the next September.
Now take a gander at the present position in the SFL Div 2 (as of 7/2/12) :-
1 Cowdenbeath P 20 pts 41
2 Arbroath P 20 pts 39
3 Stenhousemuir P 20 pts 31
4 Dumbarton P 19 pts 28
Gulp!
Come on Arbroath!!! (And the Sons, obviously.)
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Posted in Dumbarton FC at 20:59 on 30 October 2011
SFL Div 2, Forthbank Stadium*, 30/10/11
At half-time I feared the worst. We’d had a barrowload of chances, Pat Walker one-on-one with the goalie and the goalie saved it, Brian Prunty and Walker two on one defender where Prunty elected to shoot instead of playing Walker in, plus a few other efforts but nothing to show for it. Stirling had looked poor. That sort of thing usually leads to one ending.
Sure enough Striling came out more brightly in the second half and had more of the ball but didn’t fashion much by way of chances.
Then out of nothing Scott Agnew hit a shot which seemed to get a deflection on its way past their keeper and delight ensued.
But there was still trepidation to come. Stirling had two good efforts one inches (if that) past. From where I sat the header looked goal bound but it edged past the post and Stephen Grindlay made a great save on a one-on-one.
Then a great move saw Prunty played in but his shot went just wide.
A welcome three points even if Stirling were the poorest side I have seen for some time.
The referee by the way was atrocious. He gave us four fouls all game (two more were given by the assistants.) He failed to see a challenge on James Creaney it was so late (the assistant did) but didn’t book the guy. He yellow-carded Kevin Nicoll for a challenge but two minutes later didn’t even give a foul for an exact copy tackle on Scott Agnew.
As I recall this was the ref who gave Andy Rodgers an utterly ridiculous penalty for The Shire against us way back when. Maybe he doesn’t like us for some reason.
*Apparently its now the Doubletree Dunblane Stadium but who could be bothered?
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Posted in Dumbarton FC at 19:05 on 25 July 2011
Challenge Cup,* The Rock, 24/7/11
And so it begins again. It seems like only yesterday last season finished.
Same old, same old, though; but for one thing. We won in the Chalenge Cup. Our record in this competition is worse than dire. (I don’t think that page has yet been updated to take account of this season’s results.)
We fielded a lot of players whom I didn’t recognise – I was too late to hear the announcements. First half was nothing to write about beyond Kieran Brannan blazing over after a good move down the left.
Up two-nil and cruising in the second half and looking like we could take the Shire to the cleaners, then we lose a goal out of nowhere (but maybe because Nugent got injured.) A substitution and a sending off later and it was 2-2 and things looked gloomy. We then contrived to miss a barrowlaod of chances before Pat Walker pulled it out of the fire really late.
As to the new guys, Brian Prunty isn’t a big striker but took his goal well, Scott Agnew ran like Wesley Schneijder (unfortunately there any resemblance ended) and Martin McBride misplaced too many passes. New centre half Alan Lithgow looked solid enough and even made an upfield foray in open play – which Ben Gordon never did. Jamie Lyden and Kevin Nicoll were okay at full back (Lyden’s sending off notwithstanding.) The defence in general though needs to tighten up.
Kieran Brannan looked good, but he was up against Chissie, breezing past him as if he wasn’t there.
A good team is going to thump us; especially as we lack height – a perennial complaint.
It was nice to see the Shire back in their traditional black and white hoops and that Chissie has got himself a gig for this season.
* I know it’s got a sponsor’s name but I’m not going to use it.
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Posted in Dumbarton FC at 13:00 on 7 June 2011
Yet another round of alphabet soup in Scottish football. Not only is the League Cup now to be called the Communities Cup but apparently the Challenge Cup (in which Dumbarton have the worst record of any of the teams which have ever competed for it; so don’t look for progress beyond the first round this time either) is now to be known as the Ramsden’s Cup.
Ramsden’s apparently have a presence in a lot of towns with SFL clubs and peddle financial services such as pawn-broking and payday loans.
Hmm. Not much of an inspiration, is it?
It’s East Stirlingshire, by the way, at home on 23rd July.
What? No Morton?
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